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smileypete's avatar

I think what you're trying to say is that it's okay to be less masculine, which is fine.

But to portray it as a 'better' form of masculinity implies that more masculinity is always worse which is not true.

It's just less of something can equally be good or bad.

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Trystan's avatar

The pretension of expectations that I ought to be anything beyond some "gender-neutral" amiable, cooperative and courteous to strangers seems absolutely and without equal the height of human stupidity. I've been in a spectrum of blue collar, tough nut jobs - in huge companies that are responsible for not blowing up the homes we all live in, I might add - where I needed to not only talk "man-talk" about raping, drug use and firearms to fit in; but behave like an extremely poorly behaved child just to not be targeted. I've seen "masculine" men treat a more trans-woman(?) presenting person with more respect if they show their masculine role markers than they will with non-ego posturing, role-rejecting person like me. "Manhood" and masculinity is extremely stupid and toxic but maybe people who don't know themselves on whatever we might call a self-aware or "spiritual" level will need a role, a false self, to cling to in order to exist under the weight of fragility or to weather whatever violent, "masculinity"-dominated context they find themselves in. I would hope "masculinity" is something every man outgrows; but I won't hold my breath as violent stupidity is unfortunately a tenable survival strategy.

Male sexuality, sure, I like wearing that hat at appropriate times, because it's my body and what I sense and it's only able to be reasoned through by me once I accepted and listened to my emotions and other sensations. I put zero stock in the notion of gender norms or roles when thinking about myself at all, when making justice and logisitic decisions with my wife of nearing 20 years, when I parent my son or daughter, or when dealing in my now more reasonable and livable (DEI-heavy, union and pleasant) job culture. Gender norms are a whole lot of "supposed to's" rather than what I am going to do and what I want, desire, need, feel, agree and have to do; and "supposed to" is just received bad culture and pretty much half-assed thinking. How often does anyone get what they want in life doing what they are "supposed" to do in terms of gender norms? I know who I am and how I feel and how I want to be and exist, and envy no one; and who I am is so many other things beyond whatever the heck gender normed "masculinity" or even "femininity" tells me I'm supposed to be, and theres so many better "identities" to organize my soul around and psychological strategies to build a life and a family around than these, frankly, idiotic notions of anyone having to be this or that based on notions of one's genitalia and physiology, or subverting the absense or presence, or ambiguity of one's genitalia and physiology. The Way anyone ought to be becomes clear when we give up the expectations and pretensions and start traveling.

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